JL: From a broad perspective, what would you say the state of mental health in the church is right now?
MS: In general, weāve come a long way, but weāve got a long way to go. Thereās still a significant stigma about mental health and Christian counseling. We take very seriously that not everybody who calls themselves a Christian or a Christian counselor actually approaches counseling from a Christ-centered perspective. I do think weāre establishing more and more credibility in our church and in our community.Ā
Just to put some context to this, Iāve got 14 counselors here in our counseling centerāall licensed professional counselors. We see about 500 appointments a monthāthatās a huge number of people. I say that just to give you some perspective of the need and the growth of this ministry. The numbers are growing and our ministry is growing, which I think is a good sign that the community at-large and our church is recognizing the need for what we provide. Itās a constant battle educating people about the reality of mental health issues. Normalizing the struggle is a big part of what we like to try to do.Ā
JL: I know thereās no easy answer for this, but why do you think that stigma exists?Ā
MS: Thatās a really good question. I did a message here a while back at Sagemont trying to communicate this very thing and illustrating various characters in the Bible.
I focused a lot on Elijah and his struggle with depression and, frankly, suicidal ideation. I also illustrated the struggles that Paul alludes to, that even Jesus alludes toāa kind of emotional distress that was not uncommon even for him in his humanity. Thereās a few points I think I would emphasize about why thereās this stigma.
I think some of it, unfortunately, is a certain amount of bad theology, to tell you the truth. Most of us evangelicals are aware of and cautious of the prosperity gospel, in terms of financial prosperity. But I think we as Southern Baptists and evangelicals have fallen prey to an emotional prosperity gospel. In other words, if you get saved, if you pray, if youāre active in reading the Bible and you go to church regularly and you serve and you give, then you should be living a victorious Christian life that doesnāt include struggle. Obviously, those [spiritual discplines] are all relevant and important, but I contend that there is a kind of overpromising that I think pastors and teachers are a bit guilty of. I think even with the best of intentions, thereās a tendency to emphasize that if you walk seriously in the faith, your marriage will be great, your kids will be great, and you will be psychologically and emotionally healthy. That is not the reality for a lot of people.
What weāre saying is, that sinfulness of the fallāthe depravity, the radical corruptionāinfiltrates every part of our life. It affects us relationally, psychologically, spiritually, neurologically, physically. So weāre trying to approach mental health much more comprehensively than a lot of the more simplistic thinking that exists out there about what it takes to be healthy.Ā
JL: In Western culture, the idea is often that weāre supposed to achieve, weāre supposed to climb, weāre supposed to rise to the top. But that kind of thinking seems to clash with the message of Christ, who says, āThe first shall be last and the last shall be first.āĀ
MS: Itās a bit paradoxical. I think it gets back to even why thereās a stigma, because I agree with youāI deal with all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds every day in my office and I think there is more and more recognition that, because of the radical corruption of sin and the fall, we all walk with a limp. I mean that figuratively, but itās a very profound notion to get your head around as a Christian, as opposed to the message that if youāre a Christian you donāt have any limp at all and life should be great. I just donāt think thatās biblically true, theologically correct, and certainly itās not practically evident.Ā
JL: Can you give me a general sense of what kinds of struggles youāre seeing among leaders right now?
MS: Church leaders are dealing with so many of the same kinds of normal things that everyone else is. We see a lot of depression. Discouragement among pastors and staff is high because sometimes the expectations are so high. They struggle with a lot of performance anxiety, which I think of as āencore anxietyāāyou know, āWhat are you going to do next time to make it bigger and better?āĀ
We see a lot of addictions in church leaders and pastors. Weāve got a lot of pastors that are struggling with sexual addictions ā¦ social media can be quite addictive, in its own right. So many pastors are just struggling with the normal emotional issues that we all do, like fears of rejection and failure. Those kinds of things are so real in the lives of so many pastors who feel pressure to feed the monsterābuilding the congregation and meeting the budget and attracting people. I do a lot of marital work and I see a lot of pastors and church leaders who look really good on the stage or behind the pulpit, but their marriages and their families are falling apartāfor all kinds of reasons that yours or mine could, too, but with the additional stresses and strains, the expectations, the time and the energyāitās really difficult.
JL: Among those pastors and church leaders who seem to be turning a corner and improving, what are some of the commonalities youāre seeing?Ā
MS: First, theyāre reframing their expectations. Thatās a good place to start. Theyāre coming to the realization that, āIf Iām struggling, Iām not weird, Iām not messed up, Iām not crazy and, frankly, Iām more normal than the people who are not struggling.ā Just getting your head around that can help validate the struggle.
I think another big part of what helps people get better is when theyāre heardāwhether itās a good friend or a therapist or a mentorāsomebody you trust enough to be open and authentic with, to share the real you. Get in the company of someone you trust that you can be radically honest with. I donāt know of many people or pastors who wouldnāt benefit from having a good friend or mentor or professional counselor. Iāve got my people that I have to talk to that give me perspective and let me vent and hurt and wrestle and be messy. I think those pastors and leaders who are making progress have that kind of open and honest relationship with someone else, too.
It takes a lot of guts for a pastor or a staff member to show up at a counseling center and admit that he or the family or the marriage is a mess. That takes a humility and a vulnerability, and I donāt think thatās easy. It may be hard to find that person, but thatās such a crucial part of good mental health and self-careāhaving someone who can speak into your life. If you donāt have that, youāre going to die on the vine. If you donāt have someone filling up your cup, you can give out of your cup for a while, but youāre eventually going to run dry.
Mike Schumacher is an ordained minister and associate pastor at Sagemont Church in Houston. He has been the director of the Sagemont Counseling Center since 2001.Ā